Interesting LA Weekly Article On White Chefs Cooking Ethnic Foods

You should consider the nasal stage.

I think fingers and peanuts - maybe a crayon or q-tip - was about it for me.

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My brother wedged a pea inside his nose and had to be taken to the hospital.

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This kind of behavior seems to lean toward guys. Okay, maybe “lean towards” is being too kind. Males tend to do the vast majority of knucklehead antics where risk far outweighs any perceivable benefit (other than “Ain’t I funny/gross/dumb?”)

But my sister used to shoot peanuts from her nostril at me - gross! Okay, it was actually me shooting peanuts at her - funny, huh?! Don’t all brothers blame their sisters for just about everything? I’m such a dumb twit. Where’s that shrink’s couch?

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has anyone been following this story?

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Was just about to share a link to that, from Portland Eater:

Also, this piece from the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/05/26/should-white-chefs-sell-burritos-a-portland-restaurants-revealing-controversy/?tid=hybrid_content_1_na&utm_term=.56e4756ac3e4

The latter is interesting and contains some good links worth exploring.

And here’s an article advocating for the abolishment of Tiki Bars:

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the article mentions don’s beachcomber down in huntington beach. the place is actually popular with a large segment of the lindy hop community because of the live bands they book there.

being the child of immigrant parents, i’m naturally sympathetic to those who might be somehow oppressed in some way by ugly white america - but that sympathy has its limits, especially when the mouthpieces seem to belong to the society of the professionally indignant.

for the most part carmen’s thoughts mirror my own. i do especially like the embedded article which IMO makes a case for patronizing places where immigrants are the cooks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutguide/restaurants/the-humble-power-of-immigrant-restaurants-you-cant-hate-someone-if-you-like-their-food/2017/05/18/154d0222-3745-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html

it’s a large part of why i choose to pursue authentic ethnic cuisines; it’s my take that understanding what people eats goes a long way towards understanding their culture. and as carmen, noted, you can’t hate someone if you like their food, though he also notes that those who have higher denial systems are capable of separating the two.

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That was f-ing funny! I was thinking about that. It does seem to be male. And the sister torturing? I can’t print on a food board the things that little miscreant did… Yuck! The happiest day of my life was when they shipped his ass off to boarding school :grin:. On the other hand, my oldest brother was an angel… hmmm. Shrink’s couch indeed.

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I really appreciated this comment from Carmen,

“If I’ve learned anything about dining in immigrant-run restaurants, it’s that there is power in breaking bread together. You humble yourself in the presence of dishes and traditions you don’t understand. You trust that those foreign to you will feed you, take care of you, maybe even pamper you. Before you know it, the walls between us start to crumble, if just a little, or just for a little while.”

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i imagine that getting people to understand this is an overgoal of many food writers who focus a lot of ethnic cuisines; but it’s not always a good idea to state that goal explicitly.

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[quote=“secretasianman, post:107, topic:4931”]
Kook’s Burritos, a pop-up Mexican food truck run by two white women.
[/quote]I can see how at face value this would seem unfair. But I think the problem is, these 2 tourists saw something they could quickly and easily capitalize on. The Mexican women didn’t want to share their traditional recipes with these prying strangers (I can’t even get my good friend to share her family latke recipe). So instead of immersing themselves in the culture and earning some trust or at least offering to pay them for lessons, the American women showed a complete lack of respect by snooping and spying. How do we know this? They bragged about it.

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I only read the Tiki bar article, but this writer did such poor research that even if she had a point I can’t take her seriously.

Tiki culture is definitely not Jimmy Buffett and Pina coladas.

Also, I may have missed what college she attends, but seriously people ask her about grass shacks and pineapple pizza because she’s from Hawaii?

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if these two ladies had opened up a shop in direct competition with the vendors from whom their ‘recipe’ had been pilfered i would give more weight to the argument that these vendors had somehow been financially injured. i would still give greater weight to the claim that they’d been victims of intellectual property theft, along with a sense of cultural violation in how a recipe/technique that might have been carefully kept a secret for generations had been somehow exposed. even so, these ladies still had to figure out on their own by trial or error, to come up with a reasonable facsimile. for all we know, rick bayless might have posted a similar recipe online.

on the overall scale of things going on that should offend me, this particular situation just doesn’t violate my personal sensibilities all that much, and this is coming from a child of immigrant parents who had to put up with a lot of american provincialism assimilation and downright racism. frankly, if some gweilo sold a tastier less expensive steamed minced pork they’d get all my business; that is nothing but chinese culture at its finest - see something, figure out a way to make it better and cheaper.

Yep… I hear ya’. I’m not offended by what the women did. It’s their karma. And stealing “intellectual property” and causing “financial injury” over a burrito recipe? :slight_smile: Who said they did that? I think people were just turned off by the perception of arrogance. They didn’t get the warm and fuzzies over the women’s story: a pop-up concept based on a lack of respect (character?) and cadging recipes from unsuspecting Mexican women.

Yeah, no.

i agree that they opened themselves up to negative responses by disclosing how they derived their tortilla recipe, but the apparent level of outrage is something i’d reserve for an act of sacrilege (and i know we all have different definitions and i’m ok with that), and i perceive none here. i mean we’re talking a street food recipe that’s made every day. for all we know, this may create more tourism/business for the town (pop 135 as of 2010) as people go to check out the shrimp burritos.

if one disapproves, they can vote with their feet/wallets and not patronize them. but pressuring them to shut down even though they might have still attracted enough business just doesn’t sit right with me, especially when there a lot of people and businesses who merit an even greater level of scrutiny and outrage for their corrupt behavior and practices that i’d classify as being much more egregious.

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Yep, I agree. What they said rankled me, but that’s it. I don’t understand destroying someone’s livelihood over it. That is the real sin.

Portland isn’t L.A. Minorities and immigrants in Portland are rabid about trying to to stop gentrification. They feel (rightly so) that they didn’t have much to call their own to begin with. The history of Oregon’s racism is harsh.

For the record, this is coming from someone who thinks this new outrage over food appropriation is going overboard. But I’m from L.A. not Oregon.

I thought all of those things too! :smile:

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part of the tone of that article kinda amused me since hawaii is probably the most multi-cultural place in western culture.

but you can find provincialism anywhere without having to look very hard for it.

i see this as being an extension of certain cultural trends which i’m happy to discuss, but this is probably not the appropriate forum for it.

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[quote=“secretasianman, post:120, topic:4931”]
which i’m happy to discuss, but this is probably not the appropriate forum for it.
[/quote]I know. We’re already pushing it.