Knife Life

Owning carbon steel knives is almost a hobby in itself. I like my knives fine and don’t need them to be as insanely sharp as they are the day they come back from the shop. I use a Benriner when I need fine slices.

I’m pleased to see that J. Kenji López-Alt doesn’t recommend any alternative stainless Western-style chef’s knives I missed:

If you’re in LA, I strongly recommend going by Ross Cutlery and trying a variety of knives.

The Ergo Chef is worth trying. It’s an eccentric design but is balanced like nothing else I’ve held. Little short for me.

https://www.ergochef.com/8-pro-series-patented-chef-knife--model-1081.php

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Seems like it. The prospect of constant oiling, sharpening, etc. may ultimately tilt the scale back to stainless steel since I’m still quite a novice home cook, but I do like the idea of having a piece that you have to be intentional with and care for in order to maintain its performance.

And luckily I am in LA, so I’ll definitely make a point of stopping by Ross Cutlery.

How do you store your knives? Since my current ones aren’t very nice, they sit in a drawer at the moment, but once I have some new/better ones, I think I’ll definitely need to be more intentional with storage.

The ones we use regularly are on a magnetic strip attached to the wall.

The oddball handle is supposedly dishwasher-safe and will last three times as long as the riveted ones if you use them all day long and treat them badly. Otherwise basically the same kind of knife.

The one knife I’d like to add to my collection is one of the Bob Kramer-designed bread knives recommended by Chad Robertson, but at $200-400, I’ll wait for the patent to expire.

http://www.oxfordsymposium.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hertzmann.pdf

Sweet. Those magnetic strip ones are the ones I was looking at. Trying not to take up counter space with one of those wood blocks.

And great article. Interesting point that “you only need three knives at most.” I’ll keep that in mind when I’m getting my Paula Deen 12" knife.

I wonder which three he’s thinking of? I can get along with an 8- or 10-inch chef’s knife and a 4-inch paring knife. The rest seem like self-indulgence except to the extent they’re used by others.

  • I bought the slicer because it’s significantly better than the chef’s knife carving at carving a big, expensive prime rib roast.
  • The boning knife is sometimes useful but I could make do with the paring knife.
  • On the rare occasions I get the cleaver out of the drawer, nothing else will do.
  • I prefer the chef’s knife for crusty bread, it slices cleaner and makes less of a mess, you just need to start the cut with the point rather than trying to saw it.

Does seem a bit bizarre to make that statement but not follow up with what those three would be. A couple of paragraphs later, he mentions that texts around the end of the 19th Century, which is when Hatfield’s 1886 patent “became standard for European manufacturers for the next century,” generally called for:

  • Chef’s knife
  • Paring knife
  • Bread knife
  • Cleaver

And sometimes:

  • Chopping knife

So my guess is his three would be chef’s, paring and cleaver. The third could also be the bread knife, but, like you mentioned, it seems that the function of a bread knife could be covered with the chef’s knife, whereas the clever doesn’t have a replacement. Although, a bread knife would probably be used more regularly. Depends on the cook, I s’pose.

Cleaver and paring.

Master those two, and that’s all you’ll ever need. Ever.

Looking up knife work classes as we speak. This thread got me jazzed to improve my knife life in a major way.

My recommendation for a basic set of knives I think will cover all your basic needs: Chef (or Santoku, Chinese cleaver), Utility, Paring, Bread knife, knife steel and a sharpener.

  1. Chef knife - Most popular workhorse knife. European style curved edge best suited if you cut with a rocking motion
    a) Shapes:
    German: More aggressive curvature. Look for a knife where the bolster does not run all the way to the edge of the knife (see wusthof image). Makes it difficult to sharpen. Look for one with a half or no bolster, see 2nd image. Most of the major German manufacturers now offer a line with this option. Thickest blade, can hold up cutting small chicken bones, lobster shell and frozen items, most forgiving of the lot.

French: Less aggressive curvature

Japanese: Least curved, sometimes almost straight. Comes in a western or traditional Japanese style handle. Thinnest blade, generally still sturdy however I’d avoid cutting any bones or lobster shell. The Japanese excel at forging very hard blades (measured on the Rockwell Hardness Scale-HRC) that have great edge retention capabilities - you don’t have to sharpen as often. Downside, may be brittle and can chip when cutting into harder items. Just requires a bit more TLC compared to the German knives. Very popular these days with professional chef’s as their status knives. Korin in NYC carries a nice selection Shop All Knives | Korin


Blade Material: Unless you plan to do a lot of sashimi slicing, I’d stick with stainless. Less maintenance and with the improvements in stainless steels used these days there’s really not a noticeable difference in performance for most cooks. German manufacturers tend to forge blades at 57HRC whereas Japanese manufacturers go upwards of 59HRC. The higher the HRC the better the edge retention, tradeoff is a more brittle blade. Some Japanese blades are forged at 65+HRC, its really not practical for anything other than slicing boneless fish fillets for sushi/sashimi.

Length: Recommend 8", 9", 9.4", 10". The benefit of a longer knife is you don’t run out of ‘real estate’. Doesn’t really come into play unless you need to make a lot of long single stroke clean cuts i.e slicing hams, turkey breast, fish for sushi/sashimi. The trade off is less maneuverable. My favorite is the Japanese 240cm/9.4", not too short or too long. 8" is a popular size for most home cooks.

Handle style and material: I like the German handle with the middle belly and especially if has a slight rounded contour. Most comfortable for my hands. Synthetic materials i.e Micarta, Polyoxymethylene etc. are the most durable. Does not warp like wood and you don’t have to oil it periodically.

My daily workhorse is a micarta handle Hattori FH Series VG10 stainless knife. I had a minor part in it’s original design inception :grinning:. It combines a classic French style slightly curved edge chef knife (aka gyutou by Japanese knife manufacturers) with the thinner blade favored by Japanese manufacturers. Check out the Bob Kramer Zwilling line if you want a more showy knife. I have an original Kramer forged 10" but I find it a bit too wide, feels more like a cleaver vs.a chef knife. I should have got his Meiji Japanese style knife instead which has a slimmer profile. The Zwilling reproduction IMO is excellent, made in Seki Japan with the same 52100 carbon steel used in Kramer’s custom line with the added bonus of being backed by Zwilling. The carbon steel line is comparable to my original Kramer forged knife for a fraction of what you’d pay for his custom knife today.

Some of the knives to check out at the local stores - Wusthof Classic Ikon, Zwilling Prof Chef & Kramer, Global, Shun @ William Sonoma, Miyabi, Messermeister (William Sonoma & Surfas).

  1. Santoku or Chinese Cleavers: If you cut with a straight up and down motion (more popular with Asian cooks), these styles may be better suited for your needs vs a chef knife. Typical lengths are 5-7", 6" is the most common.
    a) Santoku: Incorporates the benefits of pointed tip of a chef knife with a straighter edge for maximum single line surface contact. Popular in Asian households.

b) Chinese cleaver: Workhorse of Chinese kitchens. Wide surface area, slightly heavier weight which helps cut all sorts of foods meat, vegetable etc. Takes some getting used to due to it’s large size. Most Chinese restaurant chefs use this one knife for everything… great if you can master. Chan Chi Kee makes excellent chinese cleavers for a very reasonable price ~ $40. You can find them in most chinese restaurant supply stores in Chinatown or SGV.

  1. Utility knife (Length 6") - Typically half the width of a chef knife, lends itself to greater maneuverability. Good for cutting fruits and misc non major meal prep activities. 2nd most frequently used knife in my household

  2. Paring knife (Length 3"-4"): If you plan on turning vegetables… I have one but don’t use it that often. Comes in handy every now and then.

  3. Bread knife (Length, at least 9" - 10"): The serrated edge helps cut through super crusty charred loafs like the one’s from Lodge. A chef knife may chip on the hard crust. The pointed serrated edge works better to penetrate the hard outer crust.
    Classic workhorse from Wusthof.
    http://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO-1006980/Wusthof+Classic+Double+Serrated+Bread+Knife

If you’re feeling spendy, Gude from Germany

  1. Knife steel. Why you need one How to Hone a Dull Knife
    Do not use it on serrated knives! I recommend a smooth steel, something like this https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Honing-10-Inch-Smooth-Plastic/dp/B000UFV9SC

  2. Sharpener, easy to use does a decent job if you don’t want to work a sharpening stone https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015S0VN2/ref=psdc_289867_t1_B0006A03UG

Besides Sur La Table and William Sonoma. I recommend checking out the following retailers for Japanese knives.

As others have mentioned, best to handle a few knives in person to see what suits you the best. Happy Shopping!

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Wow. Thank you. Great write-up.

So cool!

Makes sense. Like the first sentence of the article says, I’ve probably been mistakenly thinking that sharpening and honing are the same thing.

I may look into that sharpener, or we’ve gone to a dude at the farmers market before for pretty cheap.

Again, really appreciate all the time and thoughts. Thanks!

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Superb write-up. Massive amounts of great info. If I had to write an essay on knives, I’d plagiarize the hell outta this!:wink:

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@President_Mochi Glad you found it helpful.
If you need cookware, this 10 pc set is really a smoking deal, its likely coming straight out of the demeyere factory in Belgium. IMO better than all clads.
http://www.zwillingonline.com/sensation.html

It looks identical to this Demeyere Industry5 10-Piece Cookware Set | Sur La Table

@bulavinaka I’ll send you my royalty invoices

@Sgee do you accept Trump promissory notes? :laughing:

@bulavinaka you mean Trump toilet paper… :smirk:

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What happens to the knives on the magnetic strip during an earthquake?

If the earthquake was strong enough, some might fall on the counter.

For butchering meat, highly recommend Victorinox boning knife.

Nice, I was a member of the knife forum at that time as well.

Cool @aaqjr! You must have an interesting collection I’m sure fellow knife nut.